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TomDragon's avatar

I will be the devil's semi-advocate here: Hal Putoff and Elizondo are Evil. But so is the DoE where Majestic-12 is co-housed (MJ12 has tentacles everywhere) . Hal and Louis belong to one faction (let's call them Power Mongers, Thiel, Musk, SilVal Rightwing Singularitarians) wanting a controlled choreogrpahed Disclosure that will benefit them while Maj12 and DoE, lets call them Control Freaks faction, are scared shitless that ANY kind of Disclosure, even one that is planned as pure puppetry by professional CoIntelPro AFOSI old hands, will go off the rails very fast even in best case initial conditions.

My theory: Amy was not killed by Elizondo, because Elizondo's faction boss, SilVal circles of TechBro's, want to reach godhood (literally) and the only way how to get that is via NHI Clarketech (aka Sufficiently Advanced Technology That Is Indistinguishable From Magic). Amy was right that both factions (even though she may have not realized there are at least two of them) want to control the narrative at the expense of the common man and that's why she called Elizondo and Puthoff evil. But I think she switched the motivations and perpetrators of her eventual death. I believe that in the particular cases of Eskridge and Childress it was the Legacy's work.

Doktor Snake's avatar

All I can add is if you meet somebody who has "put people to bed", for a living, they can seem very nice and genuine. They can be what they think you want them to be. And they know how to confuse people and cause cognitive dissonance.

Now if there was one of these "operatives" in the public arena, I doubt they'd be doing the actual work at that point. Maybe more acting both as a lure and observing.

You might see it like an agent working covertly in an adversary country... But on loads of podcasts and TV.

The adversary now being the general public.

Also it's probably unwise to trust anybody that has signed hard NDAs — even Jacques Vallee.

The "why" of it all is the mystery.

It's all very much like the "Spectacle" on steroids. You don't need Simulation Theory to have a simulacra.

Pebbles's avatar

A while back you put up a reference to a doc called “Who is Lou?” I think. It’s excellent. But very generally speaking… they have had 80 yrs to prep for disclosure. I don’t buy any of the “the flood gates are suddenly bursting open” kind of narrative. Everything that will come out will be the version they want to come out and there seem to be different factions jockeying into position to maintain pole position ahead of others to steer the narrative and subsequent military space control they want to have. Sad to hear about Hal Puthoff supposedly being ‘evil’ though.

Peggy Ann Chowning's avatar

"It documented the TTSA insider equity, the 9 million stock options and 2.5 million restricted stock units the company’s officers and directors granted themselves, valued at nearly $19 million in pre-dilution insider equity awarded before retail investors were allowed to buy a single share." The lion's share of all of this went to DeLonge, his wife and the family trust. Only Semivan and Putoff are named in SEC filings as also receiving large grants. Elizondo joined TTSA about a month after these large grants were made.

The Sentinel Network™'s avatar

See the UPDATE block in the Architecture section of the piece, which addresses the question of foundational-grant recipients per TTSA's SEC filings.

Peggy Ann Chowning's avatar

The Sentinel doesn't directly accuse Elizondo of murder but quotes an anonymous X account as saying he should be treated as a suspect, nevertheless the overall tone of your article argues for his guilt. This makes me very very uncomfortable. So much so I have started going through the claims made in The Operator to see what I can verify. So far it's 0 for 2. The TTSA insider equity play above and the claim that Greenwald had verified a 300 person private Facebook group for coordinated harassment of Elizondo detractors. I can find nothing that substantiates this.

The Sentinel Network™'s avatar

The Greenwald description of the 300-person Facebook coordination and the predicted Halloween racism incident is sourced to a recorded Red Panda Koala X Spaces conversation in which Greenwald spoke publicly. The piece has been updated with the direct link to the recording. The record stands.

Peggy Ann Chowning's avatar

Okay, I listened to the recording and Greenwald does claim that an anonymous infiltrator told him about Facebook groups coordinating harassment attacks and offers as proof that he was told he was going to be accused of racism because of his Halloween decorations prior to it occuring.

Peggy Ann Chowning's avatar

There is substance to the claims of harassment incidents (Greenwald, Holmes, McGowan, etc.) and that they could have been coordinated but there is insufficient evidence to call it Elizondo's proxy harassment network. There is no direct objective evidence that this is true. I could definitely buy into the claim that "Elizondo-led disclosure movement is a massive, DoD-sanctioned limited hangout" but I stop short of giving credence to his running a proxy harassment network or playing any part in the missing or dead scientists. Stanton Friedman famously described the UFO community as a "civil war in a leper colony." A community rather infamous for its infighting, even decades ago, when Friedman made his comment. The fighting and shit slinging between Elizondo fans and detractors is regrettably not unique.

The Sentinel Network™'s avatar

Acknowledged on the Greenwald verification.

The proxy harassment network finding in THE OPERATOR is not

inference. It rests on first-person X Spaces testimony from

named witnesses, linked in the piece. In that recording, former

Disclosure Tonight contributor Sawan stated on record that Mike

Disclosure pushed him to publicly attack David Grusch before

Grusch went public. In the same recording, the witness identified

as LegacyProgramVP stated he was in direct conversations with

Elizondo where Mike Disclosure was present, and that the

information Mike used in the targeting came directly from

Elizondo. That is named-witness testimony with primary-source

audio.

The Stanton Friedman framing does not apply to recorded

testimony from named witnesses describing a documented

operational chain. THE PROXIMITY does not assert Elizondo caused

any of the deaths in the ATTRITION inventory. The piece

inventories what he has said on national television and what the

public record shows.

The record stands.

Peggy Ann Chowning's avatar

“That is named-witness testimony with primary-source audio.” I see that as statements made by anonymous accounts in a social media chat room whereas testimony would be a formal sworn statement, typically in a court of law where the witness is subject to the consequences of perjury. Perhaps the people behind these anonymous accounts are trustworthy credible people…,or not, I have no way of knowing with any significant level of confidence. I’d like to see you have some

direct objective evidence before you accuse someone of a crime, i.e. running a harassment network.

Custone's avatar

Does Lue Elizondo have a current, or has he had a relatively recent, snailmail address in the UK?

How would you characterize his level of expertise in microbiology?

When you sort his contacts into categories by the rhetorical or narrative “register” in which he discusses them, is there another category or register in his discourse devoted to educators or colleagues in the microbiological field?

Dr. Jack Griffin's avatar

In his 2024 memoir "Imminent: Inside the Pentagon’s Hunt for UFOs," Elizondo writes that he "double majored in microbiology and immunology" at the University of Miami. To @custone's point, Elizondo's academic microbiology background and networking is worth a look. I would add that this line of inquiry is perhaps all the more compelling given Elizondo's additional background in immunology specifically - especially in light of Kevin Patrick Childress' official cause of death being COVID-19 complications.

Dr. Jack Griffin's avatar

It's worth mentioning Garry Nolan here. Nolan is a trained immunologist and professor in the Department of Pathology at Stanford University School of Medicine. He is also a UFO researcher known for his investigations of possible UFO material and his founding of The Sol Foundation. He is currently the organization's Executive Board Director. The Sol Foundation's current advisory board includes previous TTSA/Elizondo associates Eric Davis and Jim Semivan. The advisory board also includes notables like Jacques Vallée and Avi Loeb. In "Imminent" Elizondo recounts collaborating with his "friend and colleague" Garry Nolan. In his postdoctoral research, Nolan worked with Nobelist Dr. David Baltimore on "the first cloning/characterization of NF-κB p65/ RelA and the development of rapid retroviral production systems." (https://thesolfoundation.org/people/garry-nolan-2/) The RelA gene encodes the RelA protein, part of the NF-κB pathway wihch is crucial for regulating immune responses. In fact, with respect to COVID-19, it was found that an overactivation of the NF-κB pathway could result in a dangerous hyperimmune response otherwise known as the "cytokine storm" that proved deadly for many thousands of people during the COVID pandemic. Interestingly, Nolan's mentor, David Baltimore, in May 2021, was one of the first prominent scientists to give credence to the possibility of a Wuhan lab leak of an engineered virus. Baltimore was quoted in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists in an article about the origins of the COVID-19 virus, saying, "When I first saw the furin cleavage site in the viral sequence, with its arginine codons, I said to my wife it was the smoking gun for the origin of the virus. These features make a powerful challenge to the idea of a natural origin for SARS2." (https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/) And so Lue Elizondo was not merely a microbiology/immunology double major. He was a "friend and colleague" of a truly pedigreed immunologist with a specific expertise in matters related to immune responses to COVID who also happens to be a leading voice in current UFO research and disclosure discourse. Kevin Patrick Childress' official cause of death is notable.

New Right Directions's avatar

At some point, I think the publication needs to produce an opinion piece in which it connects all these dots through pure speculation. I appreciate the cold scientific approach, but the narrative could be more compelling. At some point it would be helpful for this publication to tell the reader what you actually think, rather than what the facts say. By now a picture must be emerging, but I cannot access it by reading these disparate posts. Thank you in advance.

New Right Directions's avatar

Do you really want to keep digging this hole, Sentinel?

Thomas Alan White's avatar

We're going to fly in new ways once we understand how electrons really work so that we can move them around for more effectively. Try reading my article that I think is titled the Magnificent erocket.

I'm trying to save Civilization by drawing attention to an extraordinary moment that's trying to happen. The monks Theory of Everything is explaining mystery after mystery after mystery while our scientists are saying crazy things and admitting that they can't make sense of any of the crazy things they are saying and now cannot understand 95% of the universe.

We need to quickly start solving our problems which this allows us to do otherwise we will resort to violence to solve our problems. I was hoping that you would help me avoid that by letting me somehow talk to your audience or maybe write an article with you to your audience about this exciting moment and get some attention that it deserves?